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CNN Producer Describes Interaction With Russian Prisoners Of War

>>> RUSSIAN SOLDIERS CRYING AS THEY RECOUNT PHONE CALLS WITH THEIR FAMILI, DESCRIBING PUTIN’S INVASION AND SHELLING OF CITIES CRIMES ON THE UKRANIAN PEOPLE. SAYING THEY WERE DECEIVED BY RUSSIA’S MILITARY OPERATION, AND SAYING PUTIN IS TRYING TO SEIZE THE WORLD OF ALL HE IS INVADING. WE TALKED TO SEBASTIAN SHUKLA IN A MIRACULOUS CONVERSATION, SAYING, QUOTE, I KNOW IN MY UNIT THEY ARE TOTALLY AGAINST IT. SEBASTIAN SHUKLA IS UP FRONT, AND HE’S BEEN COVERING THE WAR IN UKRAINE SINCE THE INVASION. I KNOW YOU’VE SPENT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE COUNTRY, IN THE DONBAS. SEB, YOU HAVE THIS CHANCE TO MEET WITH THESE PEOPLE UP CLOSE. THEY WERE UPSET WITH THE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. ONE SOLDIER TOLD YOU, IT WAS A HORRIFYING FACT NOT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A CRIME. IT’S VANDALISM. YOU CAN’T FORGIVE SUCH THINGS. TO BOMB A MATERNITY WARD? THE SOLDIER, OF COURSE, WAS REFERRING TO THAT MARIUPOL MATERNITY WARD BOMBING WHICH KILLED A WOMAN AND HER UNBORN CHILD. TELL ME A LITTLE ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION. >> I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK ONE TO ONE AFTER A PRESS CONFERENCE ON FRIDAY IN KYIV, AND I CAN SAY HONESTLY THAT THEY SOUNDED REMORSEFUL TO ME. THEY SOUNDED REGRETFUL FOR WHAT HAPPENED. I WANT TO START SAYING INITIALLY THAT WHAT THE UKRAINIANS ARE DOING HERE IS INCREDIBLY CONTROVERSIAL. THEY ARE VIOLATING ONE OF THE INTERNATIONAL LAWS, WHICH IS ON HUMAN RIGHTS, THE GENEVA CONVENTION WHICH TALKS ABOUT NOT MAKING PRISONERS OF WAR ITEMS OF PUBLIC DEBATE, AND THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE I SPOKE TO, BUT ALL THE OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN PARADED ON UKRANIAN TELEVISION, TOO. I WANT TO READ YOU SOME OF THE QUOTES THAT THEY TOLD US. AND IT SAYS, WE DON’T SEE ANY NAZIS OR FASCISTS. I THINK IT WAS INVENTED AS A PRETEXT, IT’S SOMETHING THE WORLD CANNOT UNDERSTAND, BUT PUTIN AND HIS CIRCLE NEED THIS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR OWN OBJECTIVES. BUT NOW CITIES WITH PEACEFUL CIVILIANS ARE BEING DESTROYED. EVEN I DON’T KNOW WHAT CAN JUSTIFY THE TEARS OF A CHILD, OR EVEN WORSE, THE DEATHS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AND CHILDREN. I THINK IT’S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR JUST FROM THAT ONE QUOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A WAR THAT THEIR HEARTS ARE INVESTED IN, AND IT SEEMS VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS PRESIDENT PUTIN’S WAR, NOT THEIRS. >> I MEAN, IT IS PRETTY STUNNING, RIGHT? WHEN YOU THINK OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF ONE OF THE LARGEST MILITARIES ON THIS PLANET, IT ALL RELIES ON SOLDIERS BEING WHAT THEY’RE TOLD. I KNOW — EVEN TALKING TO THEM, IT’S CONTROVERSIAL, AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE NOT SHOWING THEIR FACES AND YOU’RE CHOOSING NOT TO SHOW THE VIDEO. THEY TELL YOU THIS TREATMENT HAS BEEN ACCEPTABLE, THEY OFFERED US FOOD AND DRINK, THEY OFFERED MEDICAL TREATMENT. DID THE SOLDIERS GIVE YOU ANY IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE SPEAKING. BUT I DIDN’T GHAET RECALL OFFICERS IN THE ROOM. THEY HAD AK-47s, AND THERE WAS NOTHING TO SAY THAT IT WAS SCRIPTED IN ANY WAY. A LOT OF WHAT WAS SAID CAME FROM WHO WOULD BE THE RANKING OFFICER IN THE ROOM. YOU KNOW, THEY SPOKE CANDIDLY ABOUT WANTING TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME AND WANTING TO BE ABLE TO GO AND SEE THEIR FAMILIES BUT ALSO THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT IS GOING TO R. OUR FATE IS IN THE ARMED FORCES OFFED. MANY — THE BOMBS HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND UPGRADED AND THEY ARE DROPPED INDISCRIMINATELY SO THAT WHEN THEY LAND, THE DAMAGE IS EXTENSIVE, AND I THINK IT’S VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT THE WORLD IS JUDGING THEM NOW AND TH
Video source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH9NbjtGdKY

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